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Executive Mtg

The Board of Directors held an executive meeting to discuss a light repair proposal and a Management agent addendum. The Mgmt agent contract addendum deals with a negotiation between the Board and Mgmt agent regarding...
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POA and white roofs

I live in a POA association which encompasses many homes. 4100 lots are covered Welcome SRP, our electric supplier, is offering a rebate for home owners who coat their flat roof white as an energy...
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HOA Landscapers

Hi, The HOA landscapers recently dug up 8 plants from behind my wall. I had a landscaper designer measure my property line with a measuring wheel and based upon his measurements, my property extends 7’...
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  • From Dennis Legere on Water Billing

    Rhonda,
    Every water bill for the association is a financial record of the association and subject to records request. Make a written request to view a copy of the water bills for the association for the last year. From those you will actually see the monthly water usage for the current and past year. Write them down in gallons/month and you have what you are looking for. The association cannot deny you access to view those actual bills.

    Dennis

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    2023/08/03 at 4:51 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on 33-1813

    Joseph,

    The petition to call for a special meeting of the members for the purpose of recalling board members can be very simply. It should contain a simple sentence to the effect of “We the undersigned members request the board of directors of the XYZ HOA call and hold a special meeting of the members for the purpose recalling board members (each individual by name). Each line should be printed name, signature, date and lot, parcel number or physical address.
    The Provision of HB-2607 sited are Law but they do not become effective until October 30, 2023 based on the end of the legislative session this past Monday.

    Dennis

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    2023/08/02 at 7:15 am
    • From Carrie Schneider on 33-1813

      I forgot to add a question.

      For the petition portion, does this require a wet signature? Can the petition be sent out electronically and sent back with an electronic signature?

      What constitutes a ‘valid’ petition? How does that need to be formatted and stated? Does each page need to be numerically identified
      (1 of 10, 4 of ten) and does each page require the petitioner’s information and signature, therefore validating each page?

      I posted the following about an hour ago, which has to do with this post:

      In Arizona, what does a ‘valid’ petition look like for ARS 33.1813?
      Is it like a normal petition which states a (one) specific reason for the petition and nothing additional? Meaning, you ONLY sign the petition IF you AGREE with the singular statement of the petition?

      We are currently dealing with a recall, for no cause, due to a small minority of homeowners who have been been legitimately noticed and fined for violation CCR’s and now they’re mad 🙄

      The ‘petition’ that was put together is absolutely nothing close to a typical petition, it was a survey with Y/N under multiple questions:
      1) Recall board president Y/N
      2) Recall property management Y/N (even though that’s not a thing and worded incorrectly, replace vs. recall)
      3) Increase board to: 5 or 7
      4) Large fountain structure repair: Y/N
      5) Which paint color do you like for community walls: A or B

      To me, this doe NOT follow a petition format and petition purpose. Even though you can see some hand written signatures, there is no way to prove any of the circled options/selections were that of the person who signed in ink, any options that may have been circled or left un-circled, could absolutely be altered.
      And the big problem to me, this was also sent out as a Docusign, sadly – only to the people they knew would give the “vote” they wanted and left 70% of the community in the dark and never included that 70%.

      The law (33.1813) calls for a ‘signature’ many times regarding a valid petition. The law does not call for electronic signature, therefore would an electronic signature be a valid and counted signature, should the petition be a truly valid petition for recall via arms 33.1813?

      At the end of the day, the purpose of a petition is to state one thing, it’s clear and concise. If you agree with the statement, you fill in your name, address and signature. If you do NOT agree with the singular statement, you do NOT sign the petition, as you are saying you DO NOT AGREE with the statement, by NOT signing.

      The way this janky ‘petition’ was put together is not in a petition format, it was a survey with bubble options, which allows for corruption should one choose to do so.

      On a valid petition with one clear statement of purpose, there is absolutely no opportunity to to alter a single thing. You either sign it in agreement or you do NOT sign it, because you do NOT agree with the purpose of the petition as stated in writing on the petition.
      The purpose for a petition:
      *It has one purpose
      *It has one subject/statement which is clearly written out at the top of each petition page, to clearly align with any corresponding signatures
      *It only requests a signature IF the party is in AGREEANCE with the statement
      *Each page has the petitioner’s information stated at the bottom of each page
      *Each page is signed by the petitioner

      So, two questions:
      1) Would this be considered a ‘valid’ petition?
      2) Would a docusign ‘electronic’ signature be considered a ‘valid’ signature? (also on this particular docusign, the supporting documentation showing what each homeowner “selected” was not attached, therefore showing NO proof of the selections made, only the time stamp and IP information)

      Thank you in advance, advice and answers are greatly appreciated!

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      2023/09/15 at 12:08 pm
      • From Dennis Legere on 33-1813

        I believe that my response to your earlier post answered all the questions included in this post. There is no required format or rules for the petition unlike petitions for other governmental actions. Typically, the petition format would contain the date, printed name, lot number or address and the signature of the member. This allows the association to validate that at the time of the signing you were an authorized voter in the community. Without this information is difficult for the association to validate the legitimacy of your signature to be counted in the required number. Homeowners should not push the acceptability of their petition by not providing this information.

        Dennis

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        2023/09/15 at 1:02 pm
        • From Carrie Schneider on 33-1813

          Thank you for your reply, however I am still a bit confused.

          * When it comes to a recall petition, electronic signatures allowed in addition to wet signatures?
          For the electronic signatures, the survey selections are not attached to each IP address electron signature stamp provided by Docusign, so there’s not proof of each electronic signature selection.

          * Can a recall petition have multiple subjects with with a “circle Y or N” for each subject (since you can’t prove the signing homeowner circled the Y or N per subject.

          * Last, for a special meeting to be called, the way I understand the law and your previous posts/reply’s, is the special meeting is specific to a single topic. When you have 25% signatures of a community with less than 1000 homes, a special meeting must be held for a single and specific topic.
          In this case, there were 5 topics on the survey/petition with multiple options to choose from for an answer, as well as the option to not skip making a choice/selection. Not one of the five categories had full participation of people who chose to do the survey/petition. Some of the categories did meet the 25% participation requirement, but not all. However all 5 categories are lumped together in this one survey/document, making it very difficult to understand how the special meeting statute applies, as well as recall 33.1813 statute requirements

          * So would this require 5 separate special meetings to be held if the 25% requirement is met per topic?

          I tried to attach a photo of this survey/petition, but do not see an option for that. Thought it might help, to understand
          where my questions are coming from.

          Thank you much!

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          2023/09/17 at 2:27 pm
          • From Dennis Legere on 33-1813

            Carrie,

            I’m not sure how I can answer this question any more clearly. What was supplied to you is not a special meeting petition it was simply a survey. If this was a petition for a special meeting to recall the board member than electronic signatures would be appropriate as long as they also provided the date and the printed name and lot or address of each signer. You cannot request a special meeting with a yes/no question on the potential subject matter of the special meeting. If anyone want to petition the members for a special meeting, they need to get their act together and ask everyone if they are willing to support a special meeting for a or any specific agenda items. As for the subject matter of the meeting the petition can identify any number of issues as long as the petition identifies all issues and the members actually have the authority to vote to decide the issue. Of the 5 issues on your survey the members only have the authority to recall the board members they have no authority to decide any of the other issues. You could identify issue for the members to discuss with the board at the meeting, but the board does not have to comply with the wishes of the members, and the members cannot force the board to act in any way. But if the board refused to consider the input from the community they could all be subjected to a recall vote themselves.
            Dennis

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            2023/09/18 at 6:32 pm
    • From Carrie Schneider on 33-1813

      What is the ‘new portion or provision’ of ars 33.1813 that will take effect on 10/30/2023? I found the house bill and it looks like a couple additional and clarifying items have been added to 33.1813. Would you mind elaboration on what has been added, removed or modified that is not yet in effect? Thank you

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      2023/09/15 at 12:01 pm
      • From Dennis Legere on 33-1813

        Carrie,
        The new law simply added a new provision that states that if the board fails to call for and hold a special meeting of the members within 30 days of the receipt of a petition signed by the required number of eligible votes the entire board is removed from office as a matter of law at midnight on the 31’st day following receipt of the petition. That law is effective on October 30 2023.

        Dennis

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        2023/09/15 at 12:56 pm
        • From Carrie Schneider on 33-1813

          Thank you for clarifying the difference in the current vs. upcoming 10/30.

          For the current 33.1813 statue, it states the special meeting must be noticed and held within 30 days, if not, there are no consequences?
          For the upcoming revision of 33.1813 effective 10/30, the special meeting must be noticed and held within 30 days and if not, the new part of the statue then automatically removes the recalled member automatically?

          With that said, does the special meeting need to have a 10 day window of time, prior to the meeting date? I am guessing this 10 day window allows for a ballot to be sent out?

          Thank you

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          2023/09/17 at 2:05 pm
          • From Dennis Legere on 33-1813

            Carrie,

            Your comment is not completely accurate. Under the new law if the board fails to call and hold the required meeting the entire board is removed from office not just the contested board members. Any meeting of the members must be notices and the ballots sent out consistent with the existing requirements of the open meeting laws. So yes if 10 days prior to the required meeting date the board has failed to notice the meeting and send out the ballots they are all in deep trouble and will soon all be terminated. Compliance with any part of the law is not optional, and the new bill finally establishes consequences for the board that does not require litigation to implement. While I don’t like removing good board members for the failure of the majority to act i strongly supported this legislation because of this enforcement provision and the deterrent effect this put on boards to in fact comply with the law.

            Dennis

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            2023/09/18 at 6:11 pm
  • From Joseph Danielek on 33-1813

    Petition to REQUEST Special meeting for recall should contain just what? Print Name, Signature, Date, full mailing address, being a Property Owners Association the Parcel Number. As REQUESTS (petition) are being mailed our across the United States a witness can’t observe the signature – what do we do?

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    2023/08/01 at 5:18 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Request Hearing and Witness

    XIAOQIN
    We’ve discussed this situation in prior e-mails. I’m not sure why you never received the original notice of violation in May but if an actual notice was sent to your address of record for the community your opportunity to contest the violation has passed, as you have 21 days from the receipt of the notice of the alleged violation. From what you have described to me the association had no right to claim this violation as there was not provision within the governing documents restricting the specific actions of the tenant. If the board member felt that he was being harasses he could have filed for an injunction against harassment in the municipal court and he would have been rejected in that request. Your tenant would have also had an opportunity to present his perspective, and all of this would have gone away. This board member chose to abuse his power and take the easy way out by simply fining you. You absolutely must contest this violation with ADRE by filing a petition to overturn this action. You have absolutely no obligation or right to evict this tenant because the board member does not like either him or you. You may have a case for hostile hosing environment under Federal Law in the Fair Housing Act if you can demonstrate that this hostile behavior is based on your national origin.
    Speak to an attorney and seek their advice on how to stop this individual’s abuse of power.

    Dennis

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    2023/08/01 at 5:58 am
  • From Lisa Kittredge on Campaigning for HOA Board

    As always, thanks.

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    2023/07/28 at 4:27 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Campaigning for HOA Board

    Lisa,

    The provision of Section L applies to gated communities and only relative to external campaign issues. You attorney was absolutely and completely wrong in his interpretation of that statute. It does not apply to association specific political activity. Because other lawyers also tried to create their own laws based on their incorrect interpretation of this section. This provision was eliminated and modified by a new bill that was signed into law this year. That bill will be effective on November 1st of this year based on the projected ending of the legislative session on July 31st. The bill number was HB-2301. You can see that bill text from the AZleg.gov web site.

    Dennis

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    2023/07/27 at 4:27 pm
  • From Lisa Kittredge on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

    Thanks. So good to be able to ask someone with your knowledge.

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    2023/07/25 at 5:00 pm
    • From Dennis Legere on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

      Glad to help. That is why I created this coalition and this web site.
      Dennis

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      2023/07/27 at 4:14 pm
      • From Lisa Kittredge on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

        Update- after finally refunding my filing fee, the HOA Board issued a page long screed relitigating the issue, calling me out(not by name in the email ,but the Board President has made previous statements in open meetings calling me out by name for “disheartening her for my challenge to the Boards decision.”). I can deal with that kind of bullying, what troubles me is that the email blamed me for the cost of defending the complaint. They do not explicitly admit that they were told by the Court 1. They can not use contingency funds to pay for maintenance on a private business, not served by the HOA. 2. They need to follow the CC&Rs in the future. This is the same Board that is now trying to limit political speech. I guess I should know better than to expect reasonable, truthful behavior.

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        2023/07/30 at 10:47 am
        • From Dennis Legere on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

          Typical response from any association, the truth is totally irrelevant. They are found in violation of their own governing documents, and they blame the individual that enforced those documents. The blame for the cost of violating the law by the board is not because anyone challenged the actions of the board but rather totally on the illegal actions of the board in the first place. If the board actually cared about the finances of the community, they would conduct their business in compliance with the law and the governing documents. Until these board members are personally held liable for the cost of their illegal activities this will never change. The HOA industry argues that if the board are held liable for their illegal actions no-one would ever volunteer to serve on the board. This is simply a continuation of those that want to be soft on crime to protect the rights of the criminals with no consideration of the rights of the victims of those crimes.
          I have no doubt that any legislation to hold board members personally liable for their actions will have a dampening effect of board candidates, but if anyone volunteers to run for the board, based only on their protection from illegal activities they should never be considered for the board in the first place. There are people that truly want to serve their communities and can do that while complying fully with the law and the governing documents. Those are the people we want on the boards and every community has some of these people.
          Dennis

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          2023/07/30 at 2:38 pm
    • From Lisa Kittredge on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

      The HOA issued the refund. Thanks.

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      2023/07/27 at 2:40 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Court ordered payment due me from HOA

    Lisa,
    If the HOA has not provided the court ordered payment by the end of the time frame for which they can appeal that ruling, they are in contempt of court. They were ordered to make the repayment effect on the date of the decision, they needed to make that payment but could have appealed that ruling in a timely fashion. The payment comes first the appeal comes later.

    Dennis

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    2023/07/25 at 4:12 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Landscape Committee Volunteers

    LuAnn,

    All committees serve at the pleasure of the board of Directors. There are no state laws addressing how committees are formed or who can serve on them. The issues relative to committees of the board are controlled by the individual communities governing documents. Serving on committees is a good way for members of the community to be involved in the community, and basically anyone willing to help should be allowed to participate and help within the size limits for reasonable committee function. Two many people making running a committee more difficult then it has to be. When spots are available and people are interested in serving on that committee and they are denied access by either the board or the committee chair, that is sending a clear message to the community that this board or committee chair has no desire for participation in the committee from anyone other than yes men or women. The approved clicks or groups of members are the only members allowed to participate in these committees and will most likely translate into eligibility to run for the board itself. This is fundamentally wrong and bad for the community, and signals a community is serious trouble. Everyone pays the same assessments and must abide by the same rules and restriction but when it comes to making decisions for the community only a select few are allowed that opportunity. I’ll be proposing legislation that will at least address eligibility to run for a board position to free those candidates from any selection restrictions from the sitting boards. While I’ll not address committee assignments in this legislation if more and different people are allowed to run for the board then they can fix the committee assignment issues from those positions.

    Dennis

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    2023/07/22 at 2:57 pm
  • From Rhonda Wakai on Executive Session

    This is an extremely helpful clarification you have provided, Dennis. Much more than I had expected. Thank you (which doesn’t seem to do justice to the amount of time and attention you gave this question of mine!)!!

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    2023/07/20 at 11:07 am