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Executive Mtg

The Board of Directors held an executive meeting to discuss a light repair proposal and a Management agent addendum. The Mgmt agent contract addendum deals with a negotiation between the Board and Mgmt agent regarding...
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POA and white roofs

I live in a POA association which encompasses many homes. 4100 lots are covered Welcome SRP, our electric supplier, is offering a rebate for home owners who coat their flat roof white as an energy...
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HOA Landscapers

Hi, The HOA landscapers recently dug up 8 plants from behind my wall. I had a landscaper designer measure my property line with a measuring wheel and based upon his measurements, my property extends 7’...
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  • From Tim Donovan on Annual Assessment increases

    Thanks so much for the weigh in, Dennis. Yeah, as soon as I found out that the law varies depending on what type of real estate you have, I went looking for clarification on what we are. Lots of the association documents filed with the county include the word Condominium in the filing name. Beyond that Title 33 Chapter 16 defines a Planned Community as including responsibilities for maintaining roadways. We don’t have roadways really. We have parking lots you can drive through on the back side of the rows of connected units. While roads near the fronts of the units are maintained by the city. So we don’t really fit that category, and we do fit the definition of Condominium posted in Title 33 Chapter 9.

    I’m intrigued by your mention that condos generally have the members vote on the annual budget. There is nothing in our governing document that specifies a budget. And the budget has always just been presented to us in mailings. But, yeah, I see in 33-1243, Section D that unless the board is specifically authorized in the declarations to set and amend a budget, budget ratification is the domain of the members. Holy Crack. Our Declaration of the CC&R does not have the word budget in it.

    It is however super clear that no increase of the anual assessment is automatic, but requires a vote of the board for an increase upto the CPI rate, and a vote of the members for an increase above the CPI. So, the Declarants did a good job of keeping any increase part of an active vote.

    Wow. So what I’m gathering here now is that the public meeting was did not conform to the notice requirement, and thus any business conducted therein was in compliance. That the addenda did not include discussion of, or a vote on, a rate increase, so it should not have been motioned on, that the one item on the agenda that was discussed, the 2024 budget, was not something the board gets to vote on. And finally, as Title 33 Chapter 9 gives no specific guidance to the Board on raising assessments, and does specify in 33-1243, Section A that the Board may be limited in its functions by the Declarations (which in our case limits the Board regarding annual assessment increases), that the Board has no right to raise the rate.

    So what now? Some folks are beginning to organize to gather signatures to call a meeting on the subject. The management company is advising one of the members that its up to the Board to decide whether to hold such a meeting. And I see in Chapter 9 that its the Treasurer that publicizes the meetings…so, yeah,, it kind of is up to the board to play ball. (Don’t ask me who the officers are though, I don’t know…and I go to the meetingd) I’m expecting, if the board doesn’t reverse themselves soon, that I’ll be filing a complaint with the Real Estate office, to get the ball rolling to get someone qualified to arbitrate this.

    I’m amazed that I’m either totally wrong about this, or the Board and the Management company are just playing cowboy with this whole thing.

    What do you think my next steps should be?

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    2023/11/14 at 12:53 am
    • From Dennis Legere on Annual Assessment increases

      I really can’t comment on your question without seeing exactly what your governing documents state. The particular statute in the condominium act is really no help because it is a totally useless word salad. There are so many loopholes and ridiculous process in the current budget ratification process that make the entire section a total waste of ink. I will be introducing legislation this session that will finally correct this useless provision in law. Despite all the escape clauses the ratification process is one that requires a majority of all unit owners to reject the proposed budget otherwise the budget is approved. So, anyone that does not vote at all is counted as a vote in favor of the budget. To make it even worse the vote does not even require a quorum to vote for it to count as approval of the budget. You could have a vast majority of the people voting to reject the budget in the actual vote count, but it is still approved unless all of those that vote against it constitute a majority of all unit owners entitled to vote.

      You have to be very careful about how you interpret condominium documents relative to assessment increases. Most to not address year to year increases, most talk about annual increases in the “maximum” allowed assessment from a base value based in the annual CPI increase. There is no direct correlation between the maximum assessment and the actual assessment from the prior fiscal year. Maximum assessments increase every year but actual assessments may not or may not achieve the maximum.

      Right now, most condominium unit owners have no real say on the budget or the corresponding assessment or how the board spends their money, other than to remove the board members that spend unwisely or waste their money. I hope to change that this year with legislation that will put the owners of a condominium in charge of approving the budget for the association. The board simply acts as an agent for the owners in a Condominium and the owners must have the final say on the budget for the community.
      Dennis

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      2023/11/16 at 11:13 am
    • From Dennis Legere on Annual Assessment increases

      Tim,

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      2023/11/16 at 10:55 am
  • From LuAnn on HOA Landscapers

    Thanks Dennis. So it sounds as though the HOA is liable and not the landscapers. Thank you for the clarification.

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    2023/11/10 at 6:52 am
  • From Dennis Legere on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

    Justin,

    Do not attempt what you suggested or you risk law suits. If you want a special meeting for the members to take any actions that they are allowed to take then you can request that special meeting of the members with a petition signed by 25% of the community to call that special meeting and the purpose of that meeting. The association then has the obligation to call that meeting and notify every member of that fact at their address of record. Unless you know that official address of record there is no way that you can officially call a meeting of the members. You can call informal meeting of the members to talk about anything related to the community but you can take no action in those informal meeting.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 5:43 pm
    • From Justin on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

      Dennis,

      Does the petition need to include the date in time in which we wish to call the special meeting? Or can we collect the signatures ahead of time and then specify the time of the meeting when submitting the petition? I’m hoping we can specify a date at some point, otherwise I’m worried the meeting will be scheduled after our resigned board members take positions again in January. Our management company is even less responsive than normal. I never even received a reply to my request for a special meeting after multiple follow ups.

      Assuming we have any control over the special meeting date, I’m struggling to figure out how much lead time we need to give our management company. Our bylaws conflict with ARS statutes on notice times for special meetings. Our bylaws state not less than four nor more than ten days before a meeting. ARS statute states “Not fewer than ten nor more than fifty days”. Both are written assuming we have actual board members, which we do not.

      You wrote:
      – “The association then has the obligation to call that meeting and notify every member of that fact at their address of record.”

      What does “the association” refer to in that sentence? Our board completely resigned. Is it our management company?

      Thanks,
      Justin

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      2023/11/10 at 9:48 pm
      • From Dennis Legere on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

        Justine,
        First the management company can never be the association. Only the members represent the association. The management company works for the association. Do not put a time and date on the petition. Once the petition has the required signatures than any member of the association can direct the management company to arrange for and call for the meeting of the members. You should leave that detail to the people that actually have to make that happen. A notice has to be sent to every member at the address of record on the association records. Only the management company or board knows that complete list. A facility has to be located and reserved and absentee ballots sent out. The meeting has 30 days from the filing of the valid petition to be held.

        You mention that the entire board has already resigned, because of that you do not need a petition at all. A member of the community can simply direct the management company to call for a special meeting of the members to elect a board to fill all the vacant terms for the remainder of those terms.
        State law dictates this process over anything in your community documents. Because this is not a recall vote the 30 day time limit does not apply and the 10-to 50 day notice requirement applies.

        Dennis

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        2023/11/16 at 10:51 am
      • From Dennis Legere on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

        Justine,
        First the management company can never be the association. Only the members represent the association. The management company works for the association. Do not put a time and date on the petition. Once the petition has the required signatures than any member of the association can direct the management company to arrange for and call for the meeting of the members. You should leave that detail to the people that actually have to make that happen. A notice has to be sent to every member at the address of record on the association records. Only the management company or board knows that complete list. A facility has to be located and reserved and absentee ballots sent out. The meeting has 30 days from the filing of the valid petition to be held.

        You mention that the entire board has already resigned, because of that you do not need a petition at all. A member of the community can simply direct the management company to call for a special meeting of the members to elect a board to fill all the vacant terms for the remainder of those terms.
        State law dictates this process over anything in your community documents. Because this is not a recall vote the 30 day time limit does not apply and the 10-to 50 day notice requirement applies.

        Dennis

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        2023/11/16 at 10:51 am
    • From Justin on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

      Dennis,

      We did not have the meeting on our own and are collecting signatures again. Quick question about signature collection, can we utilize community areas to collect signatures? I was hoping we could post a notice to our community ran Facebook group that we’ll be collecting signatures at one of our parks over the weekend. Or do we need to go door to door again?

      ~Justin

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      2023/11/10 at 6:12 pm
      • From Dennis Legere on Directors Resigned in Middle of Recall

        Justin,
        You do not need to do anything to gather signatures. and you are free to use any method that you like. If you want to use community facilities to have an informal meeting to gather signatures the law protects that approach. The law says nothing about Facebook pages run by the community so they will be free to regulate the use of that system for their accounts, they cannot regulate private accounts.
        Dennis

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        2023/11/16 at 10:40 am
  • From Dennis Legere on Annual Assessment increases

    Tim,

    The condominium statutes do not an equivalent statute to the one contained in the planned community statutes relative to increases in the annual assessment. Obviously if you are a condominium the condominium statutes apply to your community but if you are an HOA the planned community statutes apply to you. The reason for this is in a condominium the unit owners get to ratify the budget prior to the application of the assessment. Unfortunately the statute relative to ratification of condominium budgets was totally written by the HOA industry and is totally useless. I’ll be correcting that statute this year.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 5:37 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Can HOA board member resign, then come back to fill their own position?

    Sunny
    Board members are free to resign at any time in their term, but their resignation is permanent for the remaining portion of their original term. They are free to run again after that original term expires and be elected back to the board, but they cannot be re-appointed during the time of their resigned term. Meetings of the members to elect board members is required by law to be held annual. The law does not say “called” it says “held”. If the association does not hold a meeting of the members annually, they violate the law.

    The association is free to appoint board members to fill vacancies in their membership as long as a quorum of the board is still available. With your current situation of 4 vacancies in a 7-member board they no longer have a quorum and cannot take any action or hold any meeting of the board. Your association is totally leaderless and in total disfunction. You now need a special meeting of the members to fill the existing vacancies in the board for the remainder of the terms for the respective vacancies.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 5:29 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Bylaws require an audit. Management company is a worm

    Steve,

    I hear this kind of crap every day from homeowners like you. Your association attorney is FOS and talks out of his butt.
    The law is clear unless the association governing documents specify an audit the association is allowed to use either an audit, review or compilation as a financial review tool at their discretion. But your community documents specifically require an audit so the association loses all discretion and must do an audit every year. The total BS about CPA is absolute crap. You are required to do an audit until such time that your governing documents are modified to eliminate that requirement.

    From any request to view records the association has 10 business days to provide you access to those records. What your association is doing does not violate the law unless because of his limited availability you are not provided access within 10 days. You are free to request copies of any record, but the association is allowed to charge you $0.15 per page for the copying of those records. Obviously the more specific you are in your records request the less money you need to pay to get those copies that you can then review at your leisure.

    While I don’t know what exactly your governing documents say about special assessments I know of no association governing document that allows special assessment to be implemented without a vote of the community. If your governing documents say that special assessments needs to be approved by the members what that assessment will be used for has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the members get to vote for the approval of that assessment. I don’t care if the assessment is for capital improvements of foreign travel vacations for all the board members, the assessment needs the approval required by the documents for that assessment. Send me a copy of your CC&R’s and bylaws and I’ll tell you what they actually say. I would not ever trust Clint Goodman to tell the truth at any time to any community. Your actual documents dictate the process not his imagination.

    Finally, no matter what any attorney says, Arizona Law is clear, a home cannot be foreclosed on for fines and penalties. The association has the right to ask a court to apply a lien on your home for those fines and penalties but even if they do that lien is not foreclosable.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 5:19 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on HOA Landscapers

    LuAnn,

    Contact the HOA and ask that they replace the plants that their landscaper removed from your property. They can either replace those planting in kind with equally mature planting of be sued in small claims court for or that cost and your cost for litigation and punitive damages for trespassing on your property. See what the associations do but if they do not respond hire an attorney.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 4:54 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on HOA Annual Meeting

    The law is clear and a meeting of the members must be held annually. No if or buts. Hold the meeting or violate the law and be sued for that violation.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 4:49 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on AMICUS BRIEF IN CAO V. DORSEY

    Lisa
    There were many amicus briefs filed in that case write me at my e-mail listed at the top of this page and I’ll get you a copy of all of them. We also filed a brief in that case supporting the unconstitutionality of that law.

    Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 4:47 pm
  • From Dennis Legere on Dissolution of HOA

    Kyle,

    Could you please send me a copy of your specific CC&R’s to the azhoatruth@gmail.com address.

    Thanks Dennis

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    2023/11/08 at 4:42 pm
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